Developing Unstoppable Grit with Danielle Cobo

Get ready to be inspired today, as we have Danielle Cobo joining us as our special guest!

Danielle has just written a book, and we are super excited to have her with us today. From her background as a regional sales manager at a Fortune 500 company to her current roles as a keynote speaker and career coach, Danielle's journey has been one of determination and triumph. She hosts the Unstoppable Grit podcast, also having named her recently released book Unstoppable Grit.

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Cynthia Ficara: Have you ever experienced such a feeling of discouragement that you felt trapped in your current challenge with no foreseeable way out? Perhaps you've encountered a situation at work that has left you feeling isolated and without a clear path towards resolution. In today's episode, 

Anneliese Rhodes: we are thrilled to host a special guest, an author who has recently published a captivating book, chronicling the numerous hurdles and challenges she has faced in life, in which she not only overcame, but catapulted her to new heights.

Tune in as Danielle Cobo gives great advice on overcoming adversity at any level.

Today we are so excited to have a special guest on our show today. We have Danielle Kobo here who just recently penned a book. Danielle was a regional sales manager for many years with a fortune 500 company. And from there she turned into a keynote speaker as well as a career coach. Danielle also has a podcast and we love the name of it.

It's called Unstoppable Grit. And just like I just mentioned, Danielle also just released a book and she is currently out there promoting her book and it also is titled Unstoppable Grip. And we are so excited to have Danielle here today to share with us her thoughts on all the hurdles that she managed to overcome and she put them into her book.

And we love to hear about women overcoming lots of obstacles. And so we just can't wait to talk to you today, Danielle. So welcome. Yes. Welcome, Danielle. 

Danielle Cobo: I am thrilled to be here. So thank you so much for having me on the podcast. 

Cynthia Ficara: Like Lisa said, there are lots of great things that you have been able to achieve.

And however, it certainly wasn't easy. I'm sure to get to where you are now. So like many working women, you have faced numerous challenges along this way. And trying to strike a balance between your career, your family, and your personal life. So despite facing even greater challenges in your personal life, you've been able to demonstrate an unwavering perseverance and determination that you can conquer any obstacles that come your way.

So I would love for you to please share your inspiring story of overcoming adversity with our listeners. But just beginning with you. 

Danielle Cobo: Yeah, so I believe that my drive, one of the, one of the qualities that I'm best known for, at least for what people tell me is my drive. It's just my innate self drive, but I believe that that was innate within me and I also believe it was nurtured in me and it was nurtured in me because of my mother.

My mother was somebody who, at an early age, uh, when I was two and a half years old, my mom and my stepdad got divorced. And my mom became a single mom and I saw her go from being a single mom serving as a cocktail server at a local restaurant, going to school full time and getting her bachelor's degree when I was five years old, to then climbing the corporate ladder and becoming a regional sales manager for the top 10 pharmaceutical company in the world.

So I really saw. What it was like, she modeled drive, motivation, tenacity, and grit for me. So that's why I say drive and, and grit was innate within me, but it also was modeled for me. And then also through the challenges and hurdles that I've experienced through life, it was also strengthened within me.

Anneliese Rhodes: Wow. That's awesome. I mean, to have a mother who, and she went from basically like you just said, waitressing to becoming a regional sales director and a very large medical device or pharmaceutical company. That's a big deal. That's a big jump. And that's a big change for you. I'm sure as a child seeing that both good and bad.

And so I'm sure that you saw her overcome a lot of things during her tenure that were impressioned on you at a very early age. 

Danielle Cobo: Yeah. They really were, and it was just my mom and I for most of my upbringings. It was just my mom and I, and I, we lived in a one bedroom apartment. I had my bed in the living room.

I remember growing up eating SpaghettiOs, mac and cheese. I was taking care of myself by the age, early age of seven years old. Where I'd be at home while she would being at work. And then I saw her not only rise in the corporate ladder, but understanding that she was a female in the 1990s as a regional sales director, which was not as common as it is today in 2024.

This is really in the 1990s. And so I saw this woman just show me what, what we are capable of if we put the effort in place and that our environment does not dictate. What we're able to achieve. It's what we do with our environment that dictates what we're able to achieve. 

Cynthia Ficara: Yes. And even at a young age to start seeing that, how did that impact you as you got older?

Danielle Cobo: It really did because what I've learned from watching my mom grow and climb the corporate ladder. was that there's really no obstacle that I can't overcome as long as I put the effort into it. And a lot of times people talk about manifestation and yes, you can visualize your dreams. I think that's very important for you to visualize what you want to achieve.

You also get to put the steps in place to take action and build a plan towards that action as well. So I really saw her say, okay, I want to achieve this particular goal. This is how I'm going to do it. And these are the actionable steps that I'm going to take to achieve that goal. 

Anneliese Rhodes: Yeah. And you kind of followed in her footsteps, right?

I mean, you too became a regional sales manager. 

Danielle Cobo: I really did. I knew at an early age, I knew at the age of seven that I wanted to be in sales because when I was seven years old, I grew up in Southern California in Orange County. And so during the holidays, we would go up to our local church. We would climb up a little ladder.

Get cut down mistletoe from the trees and I would take bundles of mistletoe and I'd tie them with a velvet red ribbon and I'd go out to the grocery store and I'd sell mistletoe so that I can raise money to buy Christmas presents for my family. So I knew and I loved it. I just loved interacting with people.

I loved like this. I had this little sales bug born within me. So between that and Girl Scouts and selling Girl Scout cookies, I knew I always wanted to be in sales. I first thought I wanted to be a realtor because I love houses, but then I ended up following in my mom's footsteps and getting into medical sales.

Anneliese Rhodes: That's so great. I love that story about mistletoe. So, and you talk about that in your book, actually. I do. Um, and speaking of your book, in Unstoppable Grit, Danielle, you faced a lot of really tough hurdles, kind of all at once. And you managed to not only overcome them, but dang, you blew it out of the water.

Why don't you tell our listeners a little bit about that, if you don't mind, I think that they would really love to hear your story from you and your own words, and then as well as be able to read it in your book. 

Danielle Cobo: Yeah. So 2019, I would say was really when it began. So 2019 was, my husband was deployed in Iraq for a year.

So he was in Iraq and in Kuwait. He's a Blackhawk pilot for the U S army. And at the time when he left, our twins were one and a half years old. So they were sleeping in cribs and they were still kind of drinking out of sippy cups and learning their first words and saying thunder for like the first time we live in Florida.

So there's lots of thunder. And so that was really the beginning of when he deployed. By the time he got done with his deployment a year later, and while he was deployed, I was still a regional sales manager for the fortune 500 company. So I had five states. I was traveling 60 percent of the year. While being the primary caregiver for my kids.

So then he comes back from deployment and our kids are two and a half years old at this point. So they're formulating complete sentences. They're sleeping in toddler beds. They're having tantrums because they're in their twos. And they're formulating their own opinions on what they want and don't want.

And so when Hank came back from the deployment, it was difficult while he was deployed because there was a lot to juggle and balance all at once. But it was really difficult when he came back because he was a different person. I was a different person and we were trying to find a way to come together as a united front.

In 2020, right before, right as we started to find our rhythm as to like our new family unit, I lost my mom. My mom had passed away March 8th. So right today we're celebrating her four year anniversary. And I lost her to suicide. And so it was very unexpected. It was very tragic. And as I was trying to cope and heal with the fact that I had lost her so suddenly in such a devastating way, a week later, March 13th, the pandemic hit.

And the, you know, The world shut down. I mean, all of us, all of us remember the day of the pandemic, like we did 9 11. It was just one of those days where you remember getting those calls and all the flights are canceled and you can't leave your house and you're wearing masks and you don't know what's going on.

And my twins are immune compromised. So I was really scared because they had respiratory issues. So there was a lot of uncertainty in what was taking place. And then a month later, after that, the company that I was with for been with for seven years was acquired by another organization. And it became a very, very toxic work environment.

I actually had an employee on my team that was, became so toxic. She became like cancer on the team. And it got to a point where I said, I can't do this anymore. And I need to leave. I left the organization. So every aspect about my life personally, professionally was just completely flipped upside down. I was so lost.

I was so confused. I had tied my identity. To my paycheck, you know, six figure salary, six figure commission check, company car, stock options. I tied my identity to what I was making. I had tied my identity to the title that I had. I had tied my identity to also the sales awards that I had earned being region manager of the year.

And to not only lose all of that, but to also lose my, such a significant person in my life while also still trying to navigate through like what is life post deployment, I was having panic attacks consistently, and I was just feeling so lost and confused that I really just didn't know what to do. Wow, Danielle, that's a lot.

Cynthia Ficara: That is a lot all at once. And you know, what you said about struggling with your identity, I think that is more common than people realize. And so you're feeling lost and you're having all of these things, you know, at what point did you realize that now you have a choice to change and what gave you the strength to take action and get out of what was making everything so miserable for you?

Danielle Cobo: I knew that I never wanted to be a victim of my circumstances. And I've always felt that way throughout my entire life. I don't believe that our circumstances dictate how we show up or who we choose to be. And so it took some time for me. I took some time off of work. This for my first time in my life, I was unemployed for the first time in 20 years, I was unemployed.

And so I knew at that moment, I really first needed to just to reflect and, and to look back at like, Who I am, what do I want? What do I want this next phase of my life to look like? So one of the exercises that I did was, and I call it the legacy exercise, and it really did kind of reshape the way that I approach my life today.

And that is when I was writing my mom's obituary, I started to really think about when my time comes. What do I want my kids to say about me? What do I want my colleagues to say about me? Because as I was writing hers, I was like, Ooh, I hope I'm writing something that she feels is a reflection of her life.

And so then I did the exercise of actually writing my own obituary and I wrote it from the perspective of a colleague and then the perspective of a family member. And why I did that is I wanted to understand not only what is the Is this in alignment with the perception of how people are seeing me?

But more importantly, when we think about success, at the end of the day, people aren't going to stand up and go, Oh, well, Danielle had a beautiful house and she had a great job. No, like people are going to want to say, this is how she impacted my life. And this is how I felt when I was around her. And so I really started to look at how do I define success, not based off of the material things.

But how can I define success based off of how I make people feel at the end of the day? When I'm with them and when I leave the room, how do they feel? Do they feel empowered and inspired and motivated and excited and eager? That's how I want people to feel. So that's why I call it the legacy exercises, thinking about like what legacy that you want to leave.

And what really inspired the book was. In 2020, many of us were going through challenges. All of us were going through some challenge one way, shape, or form. And I kept hearing from people that they were burnt out, that they were spent so much of their time, I identifying their life to their work, that they felt lost, that they felt like they were burnt out and overwhelmed and, and they were really trying to navigating like this is kind of a reset.

The pandemic was almost like the great resignation, but almost a great reset as to really what we want in life. And, uh, I said, what if I provided people with the tools to be able to have the grit to break through those roadblocks that are standing between them and achieving their goals and help them build a career and life that they love.

And so by hearing kind of what some of the people's struggles were, I really was in tune to that. Um, as I started to do a lot of coaching and speaking and I said, okay, I'm going to, I'm going to write a book and I'm going to provide people these tools. 

Anneliese Rhodes: I love that. And you talked about a lot of things. I like the legacy.

I love that. Um, I don't know if I want to write my own obituary, but you know, Cindy and I talk a lot about this both personally, as well as on the podcast is what do you want to leave behind and how do you want to impact others? Right. And to me, that's mentorship. That's how are you going to mentor all of the people that you care about, that you know or you don't know, how are you going to make their lives better?

How are you going to make their lives, not necessarily easier, but maybe not struggle quite as hard as you did and give them the tools to become successful, to find that within them, that grit, that tenacity, that dream that they want to fulfill, whatever it is. How can you help them? And I think that that's truly mentorship and, and that's a wonderful thing to give, especially from you, Danielle, because you have gone through so much.

And that was a pretty short amount of time. And, you know, you're only a couple of years out of it. You obviously, you sound healthy and happy and, you know, you're giving back and it looks like it worked, right? That, That ability to give back actually does work. It does make you a better person and, and really you are achieving your goals.

You're achieving your dreams. You're doing what you set out. You wanted to do. 

Danielle Cobo: Well, thank you. And I want to say, yes, I am a couple. I mean, we're it's 2024 now. So I've had some years out of this to really work to reflect and take these tools that I've learned over the years and apply them to my own life.

So. In the book, I am very raw and vulnerable. I don't hide. I think that there's value in vulnerability and understanding. Like my hope is that when people are reading the book, they see themselves in the pages and they can go, wow, I can really relate to this person's story. Maybe not the particular story of going through the exact situations, but there's something that they can relate to.

So I believe that the more vulnerable that we are, the more that we can relate to each other and the more that we can realize that we're not alone in this world. And especially, so I go through my experience of overcoming postpartum depression. I go through my experience of the one that I had just shared.

And I really try, I mean, there's stories that are in this book that my husband has not even heard, um, that he didn't even hear and my best friend, my best friend of 25 years just read the book and she's like, Oh my gosh, I had no idea that you had gone through some of these things. And like, she's like, wow, she, what I.

What I love the most is before we jumped on, we talked a little bit about the book and how it just hit bestseller in work life balance and business and career guide and also in job hunting and then also women in business. But what I'm most excited for and what I'm most proud of is when I receive the text messages or the DMs through Instagram or LinkedIn and people saying like, wow, I really related to this particular story and here's what resonated with me or like this book has transformed my life that to me was made the whole right of the year and a half of writing this book is the why behind it is to get those messages.

Anneliese Rhodes: Yeah, there's, there is beauty in being, being vulnerable. It's scary, but there is beauty in being vulnerable. And we talk a lot about self awareness and being aware of, you know, how are you being perceived? How are you coming across? Are you taking into consideration other people's feelings and thoughts and where they are in their day in their lives?

And I think all of that is really important. 

Danielle Cobo: It is. Vulnerability is the key to connection. And it's scary. And there's, I remember the month before the book was available on Amazon and that we were talking about putting it up on Amazon and getting it into the retailers. I was terrified. I was almost having panic attacks all over again because I was going, well, what if people don't like it?

Or like, what if I shared too much of my story? In fact, I didn't even let my husband read the book until I was entirely done with it because I didn't want any reservations on some of the stories that I shared. I wanted to make sure that I was showing up 100 percent authentically and I didn't want somebody else's voice or opinion influencing whether I shared a story or not.

Cynthia Ficara: Yes, it takes a lot of courage to be able to do that. You know, and a lot of things that you've talked about that you've overcome, I mean, I can't even imagine being in some of those situations, but at any time did you reach out? for help with somebody else? Because if there's somebody listening that's struggling with this, of course, it's, it's finding strength within yourself.

But how do you ask for help and how do you get that support? 

Danielle Cobo: I believe that asking for help is one of the most courageous things that you can step so you can take in achieving your goals. And the reason being is, is the way that if you look at research, research shows that people that volunteer live a more happier, more fulfilling life.

Well, why is that? It's because they feel wanted, needed, and they feel like they have a purpose. So when we ask for help, we're giving somebody the opportunity to experience fulfillment, to experience joy, and to experience a purpose. And I have learned when overcoming postpartum depression. So when I, so my twins were born six weeks early and then they spent two weeks in the NICU.

And then right after they got out of the NICU, we got hit by category five hurricane. And I was actually in the hospital for complications with my, with my pregnancy during all of this. So I was, I was forced into learning to ask for help because I needed help. I mean, we had lost power for four days. We, um, we had one of our boys hooked up.

It was his heart monitor hooked up to a generator. And we needed help with boarding the house. We needed help with getting supplies. We needed a lot of help. It was probably one of the best things that could have ever happened to me. And the reason being is because I was always been a very self sufficient person.

However, that forced me into learning the value of asking for help. And what I've learned through that experience is the relationships that I have now. would have never been formed if I didn't take the vulnerable step and asking for help. And the people that have helped me during that time have become my closest closest friends.

And so, yeah, I believe that if you're ever going through any trials or tribulations in your life to not only ask for your friends for help, be specific on what that help is. When my babies were born. What helped look like for me was help with doing laundry and cooking. And that's what my mother in law did.

She did, she did my laundry and she cooked for me, which I'm very grateful for because that gave me time to spend time with my kids and to get to know my kids and be, be there, be the mom that I wanted to be. And sometimes help looks a little bit differently. So not only asking for help from your friends, your family, your neighbors, but also when I was going through recovering from postpartum depression, I did get psychological help as well.

I did 16 weeks of cognitive behavioral therapy. I'm a big believer that therapy is valuable. And if you work for an organizations and you're going through challenges, know that most organizations have what's called the employee assistance program. Where a lot of organizations will offer anywhere between 3 to 12 sessions for free through the employee assistance program.

All you need to do is call your human resources department to get that information. 

Cynthia Ficara: That's great information. Yes. And, you know, when you talk about getting help with their bad times, but then also you spent a lot of your career. You know, 20 years in the business world, and, you know, there can be immense value and having mentors in place to get you to to where you want to be greatly influenced, shaping the person that you now have become.

So, have you had mentors in your life that played this integral role? in shaping who you are today? 

Danielle Cobo: Absolutely. I've had mentors throughout my entire life and I'm extremely grateful and I believe that the success that I've had throughout my career, career is a direct correlation to the mentors that I had.

So I had a mentor early on in my career that it was a friend of mine that was in pharmaceutical sales. And I reached out to him one day and I said, would you be willing to go to lunch so that I can pick your brain on how I can get into medical sales? And he sat with me during lunch and he walked me through what a performance book is and what to include on your resume, what not to put on your resume and how to prospect with recruiters and hiring managers.

And I was 23 years old when I started my career in medical sales. And, and then throughout my career, you know, People have either been a mentor and have known that they're my mentor, or maybe they have not known that they're my mentor. I just happened to go to him for everything, but yeah, I've always had a mentor throughout my entire life.

And even when I left corporate, I started to really double down and investing in my professional and personal development by hiring coaches for specific areas within my business that I wanted to learn. So when I was writing a book, I had a developmental editor, a writing coach that was helping me with writing.

So, yeah. Um, I've had a coach that helped me in writing my TED talk, a coach that has helped me with my business. So I've found that if I want to achieve the success that I want to achieve and I want to get to the real results that I want, I can either try to figure it out on my own or I can align myself with somebody who's been there, who's had the same success and can show me what steps to work and what steps don't work.

Anneliese Rhodes: That's awesome. I mean, a TED talk. That's pretty cool. That's exciting on it. It's it's in the 

Danielle Cobo: works. It's in the works hasn't done it yet, but it's definitely a goal on my vision board and it's something I'm working towards. 

Anneliese Rhodes: You are very inspirational, Danielle. I think a lot of our listeners out there would really love to read your book.

And, you know, I'm curious. I mean, What advice would you give our listeners, those that are in the medical profession now that are, you know, looking to advance their careers, looking to take that next step. Maybe it's not writing a book, but maybe it is moving into a director position or taking on a bigger leadership position, anything that advances you as a person.

Um, what kind of advice would you give to them? 

Danielle Cobo: First, when you believe in yourself, other people will believe in you. And so a lot of times what holds us back from, from pursuing the particular positions that we want is that imposter syndrome. It's this belief that we don't have the right credentials. We don't have the right experience.

We don't have whatever it is that holds us back. And I'm a firm believer that we, most of the time we have everything that we need to succeed. We just need to take the step forward and put ourselves out there to be vulnerable, to take the risk and put ourselves out there. And even if you go for a position and you don't get the job.

You're still increasing your currency because you're increasing exposure and you're telling people that you want to pursue different positions and that you want to put yourself out there. Second would be align yourself with a mentor or a career coach. If I would have known about career coaching when I was 23, I would have had a career coach my entire life because there's value in having a mentor.

Cause you can have somebody within your organization who can, who can kind of show you the ropes on which positions to pursue within the organizations and what those roles and responsibilities are like. But what you find in a career coach is you have somebody who's outside the organization that you can be 100 percent vulnerable with and share them what your challenges are, talk through with them, get some advice, get some strategies, get some encouragement and accountability, and never have to worry that your job is in jeopardy because it's a confidential environment that you can be 100 percent vulnerable in.

So if I would have known about career coaching earlier on my career, I would have invested in one hands down and who knows where I would have been, but you know, I, I'm definitely a big believer in career coaching. 

Anneliese Rhodes: That's awesome. And you are a career coach, so everyone can look you up on LinkedIn and message you.

And I agree with you. I mean, you know, I think a lot of times we as women think we can do it all. We just take it on because that's what we do, right? I mean, I've got four kids, I've got a full time job, a career. We, Cindy and I, we have this podcast. I mean, we do a lot of things and we, as women think, We can handle it all, but I think what I like about the career coach that you mentioned is it helps.

Number 1, the person is unbiased. So they're not even part of your organization. And number 2, you're able to be vulnerable. And for us, as women, I know for me, it's very hard to be completely vulnerable, even in my own self. You know, sometimes we don't want to talk about the things that are kind of ugly or dirty or need fixing.

But I think that that's some really great advice. I appreciate that. I know our listeners would appreciate that. 

Danielle Cobo: I love seeing, I think, you know, I do a lot where I do keynote speaking and I do career coaching and I'm an author and a podcast host and all these different hats that I get to wear. But what I love the most is I've earned president's club four consecutive times.

And I've earned region manager of the year, but there is nothing like working with somebody who says, I want to earn president's club as they've been in their role for five years. They've tried over and over again to try to get it. They haven't been able to achieve it for one reason or another. You start working with them.

And not only do they achieve president's club for the first time, they also get promoted. That to me was one of the most rewarding experiences as a career coach within my career, um, to see people get pursued jobs and get the job. And by the time people come to me, oftentimes they're so frustrated and discouraged and deflated and overwhelmed that they feel like they can't accomplish much, you know.

And so, especially if they're in the job search process, a lot of times they, by the time they get to me, they're in tears because they've been looking for a job for so long and they're just getting rejection after rejection or, or ghosted by managers, which is, But that's a whole nother podcast episode of why I'm so frustrated with managers on ghosting candidates.

But by the time they get to me, they're crying. And so to see that transformation of not only them getting the position, getting paid more because we're negotiating their compensation package, but then just to see their overall. Aura about them. They stand a little taller. They are got joy in their face because they have another level of confidence that they didn't have before.

That is rewarding. 

Anneliese Rhodes: Absolutely. I mean, I can say, I know I was there at some point in my career and it's it really, I mean, of course, I pretty much pull myself up on my own bootstraps, but I know that there were people in the back. Part of me saying, you can do it. You can do it. You got to believe in yourself, but to have that person there for you, 100 percent of the time.

And you know, you know, because you were there, you know, coaches are, that's their job as being a coach is they once were there too. And now they can help you get there. And you know, that's what we want in our podcast too. We just want to support women, get them to where they want to be and to believe in themselves and not let all of these things get them down.

Just like you, Danielle. 

Cynthia Ficara: You've given so much great advice. One thing I do want to say before we do wrap this up is a lot of when you're talking about coaching and going through a lot of what you have and evolving and giving back. Now, you really have this trend of continuous learning. And I, and I see that in you and so.

If you could just tell us a little bit about whether it be personal mistakes or insight from others, books that you've read, or considering everything you went through at your young age, what would be one of the most significant lessons you've learned? And one other part to this question is, what are some surprising things that you continue to learn?

Danielle Cobo: As you grow, what I've learned is if you really adopt a growth mindset, you can achieve anything that you want, but a lot of times people will say, well, this is the way that I'm born or this is just how I am. And I don't believe that at all. Yes, there are characteristics that are innate with you, but you can always can develop and you can always strive to be better.

I dedicate every single portion of my day, every single day to personal development, whether it's reading a book, listening to a podcast, taking a course, meeting with a coach. I've just always believed that in personal and professional development, I always want to be a better person tomorrow than I am today.

And show up and be the best version. So I would say like, really the best advice I'd give is, is to invest in yourself. The best investment that you can make is within yourself. And you've, once you believe in yourself, others will believe in you. 

Cynthia Ficara: Absolutely fabulous. I know high fiving, doing the little dance.

I want to reiterate, you said to be a better person tomorrow than you are today. That's just, yeah, I just want to take a hammer and say, damn, 

Anneliese Rhodes: nail that to the ground. I mean, that is absolutely something everybody needs to do. We need to hear that every day. We're going to tell ourselves that every day, Danielle, thank you so much for joining us.

This was awesome and fun. Your book is available where tell us where everybody can grab your book. 

Danielle Cobo: Unstoppable grit breakthrough, the seven roadblocks standing between you and achieving your goals is available on Amazon, Barnes and Noble, any of your major bookstores, go ahead and pick it up on Amazon and overnight delivery to your door.

Anneliese Rhodes: love it. And you're on LinkedIn 

Danielle Cobo: as well. I am on LinkedIn. Yes, I am on LinkedIn. That's the, I'm on every single social media platform, but LinkedIn is my preferred platform because it just, I learn a lot through LinkedIn. And then of course my podcast, Unstoppable Grit Podcast with Danielle Kobo. 

Anneliese Rhodes: Love it.

Thank you so much for spending this time with us. Danielle. It was very enlightening and I can't wait to finish your book. I started it. I can't wait to finish it. 

Cynthia Ficara: Thank you, Danielle. Yes, I'm almost done. I have about 50 pages left. So thank you. And I just I wish you all the best in every new adventure that you are about to take on.

I think you said TEDx talk will be 1 of your next talks. Next big ventures. So I wishing you all the best. Absolutely. Thanks so much. Have a great day. In summary, we are privileged to have Danielle with us today, and we just want to leave you with three powerful statements that she shared with us. And number one is there is value in vulnerability.

Number two, don't be a victim of your circumstances. And number three, to adopt a growth mindset. Thank you, Danielle, for all these words of wisdom. 

Anneliese Rhodes: Yes. They are also powerful. So our call to action today is pretty simple, but very powerful. What legacy do you want to leave behind when you're gone? Thank you so much for tuning in to another episode of secrets and medical device sales hosted by the girls of grit.

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