Warrior Within: How Battling Cancer Fueled a Mission for Change
What does it take to turn life’s greatest challenges into a force for change?
In this powerful episode, The Girls of Grit™ sit down with Tina Valbh, a pharmacist, entrepreneur, and breast cancer survivor who transformed her personal journey into a mission to reshape healthcare. From launching her consulting business to founding Tina’s Warriors, a nonprofit providing hope kits to women undergoing cancer treatment, Tina’s story is a masterclass in courage, purpose, and relentless advocacy.
Listen in as she shares what fueled her journey, the moments that defined her career, and the lessons she hopes to pass on to the next generation.
Episode Chapter Markers
00:00 Introduction
03:45 Tina Valbh’s Career Journey
04:47 Transition to Consulting and Mentorship
07:41 Balancing Career and Motherhood
10:08 Becoming a Patient Advocate
13:52 Personal Battle with Breast Cancer
20:32 Founding Tina's Warriors
Must-Hear Insights and Key Moments
Taking the Leap - Tina shares the bold decision to leave retail pharmacy and build a business rooted in advocacy and impact.
Finding Purpose Through Adversity - How a breast cancer diagnosis reshaped her mission and reignited her passion for patient-centered care.
Building Tina’s Warriors - From a heartfelt gift to a nationwide movement, discover the story behind Tina’s nonprofit and its mission to bring hope to women fighting breast cancer.
The Power of Resilience - Tina opens up about the mindset that kept her pushing forward — even in the toughest moments.
Owning Your Path - Lessons in self-leadership and how embracing fear can fuel your greatest successes.
Words of Wisdom: Standout Quotes from This Episode
"The healthcare system isn’t always built with the patient in mind — and that’s something we need to change." — Tina
"Ownership is about embracing every minute of every day, leading yourself first." — Anneliese
"When you align your purpose with your actions, the impossible becomes achievable." — Cynthia
"Your greatest challenges can ignite your biggest purpose if you let them." — Tina
"High performers don’t just hit quotas — they create long-term visions." — Anneliese
"Trust is the foundation of every strong relationship, whether in business or life." — Cynthia
"It’s not about being fearless. It’s about using your fear as fuel." — Tina"You grow the most when you step outside your comfort zone." — Anneliese
"We rise by lifting each other up." — Tina
"Never underestimate the power of taking ownership — in your career and your life." — Cynthia
About Tina Valbh
Tina Valbh is a pharmacist, entrepreneur, and cancer survivor dedicated to empowering others through resilience and purpose. After years in retail pharmacy, she built her own business to improve healthcare and patient advocacy. Her breast cancer journey inspired Tina’s Warriors, a nonprofit providing hope kits and support to women undergoing treatment. Tina’s story is one of courage, purpose, and heart — leading by example and inspiring change.
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Anneliese Rhodes: Welcome everyone to another episode of secrets and medical device sales brought to you by the girls of grit. And tonight we are coming to you guys with a very, very special interview of a very special lady. And I think at the end of this. If you are not inspired by her stories and her accomplishments and all the things that this woman is achieving, I don't know who you are, but it, it absolutely astounds Cindy and I.
So we are so excited to have Tina Valbh with us tonight. And she is going to share with you guys her story and her passion and the things that drive her and push her forward.
Cynthia Ficara: Welcome, Tina. We are so happy to have you. So actually, that being said, let's dive right in. Can you tell us just a little bit about you and how your career started as a retail pharmacist?
Let's start there.
Tina Valbh: Perfect. Thank you very much for having me on this podcast. I am really humbled that you thought of me and, I'm super excited to have this discussion. so thank you very much for thinking of me to be on here. so my career, I'm a pharmacist, but I, didn't always know I wanted to be a pharmacist.
I just, what I did know is that. I liked healthcare and I was drawn to the idea of making an impact in people's lives. So early on, I explored different paths, but then pharmacy school stood out and then that was a path that I went down. so early on in my career, I started off as a clinical pharmacist, just, you know, I worked in retail pharmacy, worked at Walgreens, worked at Walmart, retail and I quickly pivoted.
Into doing something different. I wanted to be more impactful than just that role that I was in. And so I got into the world of what we call specialty pharmaceuticals, which are high cost, products for complex conditions like cancer, autoimmune disease, ms, or even the rare and orphan products.
So, I came into the field as a, young pharmacist, ready to learn and to roll up my sleeves. And, as I got into my career, this role, I learned firsthand, the challenges that patients, especially with complex diseases we're facing. so things around access to treatment, access to their medications.
From Pharmacist to Patient Advocate: Redefining Purpose
Tina Valbh: And, I found out very quickly that the healthcare system, isn't always built with the patient in mind. and it. Frustrated me. So I started asking bigger questions. Why is this process complicated? Can we fix it? And I started leaning more towards the business side of the pharmaceutical industry.
And, I ultimately then moved away from really that patient side of dispensing and more into the healthcare consulting. Transitioning to consulting and really building my own business was a complete leap of faith. I, just said, you know, I have to do things differently. I'm going to charter my own path.
and that's how I got into consulting and, working with, pharmaceutical companies, insurance companies, and other stakeholders, within the industry. the nice thing was along the way, I was encouraged by a lot of men, who pushed me out of my comfort zone and yeah, that's a good thing to
Anneliese Rhodes: hear.
Tina Valbh: I had quite a few mentors that were men and they really challenged me and pushed me very, very hard out of my comfort zone. And they encouraged me to take on roles I never would have envisioned for myself. and you know, quite often I was the only woman in the room, which meant I had to work harder, prove myself twice as hard.
to my male counterparts, but in the end, it all paid off really well. And, ended up building a thriving consulting practice that now does strategic consulting. we help launch products and we also have a technology arm where we do, prescriptions and the patient journey.
Anneliese Rhodes: So lots of very intelligent, amazing things, but, you know, Tina, as you were telling us this story earlier on, were you in a very, like, transitional time in your life when you took that leap of faith? I mean, kind of like, Oh, wow. You went for it, girl, but holy cow, hang on. So, tell our listeners about that because, you know, a lot of us, when we're faced with taking that leap of faith, sometimes it's like at the most inopportune time you think in your life.
You know, it's like this, the old saying, there's never a great time to have a baby. It's like, there's never a great time to take that leap of faith, right? So, tell us about that because I think that's a really great part of your story.
Balancing Motherhood and Career
Tina Valbh: Yeah, so, I had my first Daughter, I have two girls, by the way. they are the reason I do everything that I do.
And, so, I had my first daughter and I really wanted the flexibility in my schedule. I wanted to be able to take her to school, go to the events at the school and not have to miss so much. And I really wanted to be more present in her life. And so I had to make a decision to find a job that allowed me the flexibility where I set my own schedule, my own time.
And, we had just gotten into a new home, our first home, mind you, and talk about. financial stress as well. But, my husband encouraged me to just go for it, take the risk. He had full confidence that I would make it work. And, even when I didn't have my own confidence, and I did, I went for it.
So it was really that transition point of being a mother and aligning what. My priorities should be and also saying that I don't have to give up my career. Because I am a mother and that you really can do, both things. and I think sometimes, it makes you maybe a little bit more effective, when you are managing career and also being a mom and a wife and a friend and a sister and a daughter and all those other things that come along.
With, our identity and it just helps us, I think, grow into a better person and maybe lead by example.
Cynthia Ficara: I'd love to hear you say that because having two daughters, you're, I have two daughters myself, and you're exactly right that when, you know, you, the, the life, you know, the whole thing, um, if you want something done, give it to a busy person.
Well, I think that goes along for working mom. I, you know, you hear that sometimes, well, in the working world, moms know how to get it done because your time is so valuable and you know, and you can prioritize, but I really need to applaud a few things that you said here, but when you talked about, um, How you start as a retail pharmacist and while you were working, you started to see some things in the healthcare system that made you, you know, see some, I don't want to say weaknesses, but what I think is, um, so great that I want to point out that I want to applaud that you did.
Is that then you decided, Okay, well, now I want to build my business and be more of a patient advocate because here you saw some things that weren't what you thought were right and then here you are pharmacist. Now you're going to build a business so that there's I, I just think that's so amazing that I want us all to hear and really listen to how you have the confidence just to go from being a retail pharmacist to now saying, okay, I believe in this so much.
I have a reason for doing this, that now I'm going to learn how to build a business. And I think that is. It's absolutely tremendous.
Tina Valbh: Yeah. And that shift for me was extremely powerful, um, because now instead of helping one patient at a time through my consulting, I was helping thousands of patients and shaping just the programs and services for thousands of patients.
So the shift for me was, you know, personally, uh, very powerful and a defining moment in my career.
Anneliese Rhodes: That's awesome. I mean, that's so cool. And you have done some really tremendous things. You've worked with the FDA, right? I mean, weren't you working with the FDA? I mean, who gets to say that? Hey, I worked with
Tina Valbh: the FDA.
I, I have, you know, um, I was, uh, what they called a special government employee where I consulted. I know, I know. Right. Um, I consulted with the FDA, um, on their, um, advisory. Uh, board. So I was part of the risk, uh, risk management, um, and safety, uh, advisory board. And they called me in, um, to help them around just drug products, safety signals, uh, what we were going to put on the package inserts.
Um, and, and really, um, I also got to vote on products that were coming to market. Um, so it was like just an incredible five years. of working with them and in really understanding how things moved, um, within the government system around drug approval. So it gave me even a broader knowledge base of how all of that came to be.
That
Anneliese Rhodes: is super cool.
Tina Valbh: Yeah, it
Anneliese Rhodes: was fun. It was fun. That's really cool. Yeah, and I'm sure that it obviously helped you as well in your consulting business because now you saw even more so and you could then help companies understand how where the FDA was coming from and you know some of all the expectations that are involved in that and that is.
It's so key, I think, especially in any type of medical sales, medical devices, to really make sure that you have the broad perspective and knowledge about all the key players that are involved. It's not just about your one product. It's also about the R and D and the approvals and the clinical trials and the patients and, you know, all the things that are involved.
And I think that's so tremendous, Tina, that you were able to not only take that leap of faith, but really master it. I mean, that's very impressive. Thank you. And it
Cynthia Ficara: seems, yes, that everything along the way you just learned and take it on as a challenge and just actually mastered it. And you know, through all of this, that everything you're doing, building a business, having a family, you also have been through a personal journey.
And I'd like you to share some of that with us to see where all of this, you know, we, we talk so much on this podcast about growing and being a high performer and we all want to do well and we want to do things. And we talk about having reasons why you do it. You have a strong why being a patient advocate.
And all this time, sometimes we, um, we mention when we remember to take care of ourselves and think about ourselves. Because everything we do has, has a reason. We're doing this for our families. We're doing it for us. And so sometimes we get so caught up. In some of the career challenges that sometimes things in life change our perspective, and we remember that, that, um, we can be grounded.
And so I'd like you to share your story with our audience.
Becoming the Patient: A Fight for Change
Tina Valbh: Yeah. So, um, two years ago I was diagnosed with, um, breast cancer and, um, It really did change my world in an instant. Um, I still had two young kids, um, that needed their mom. Um, and I had a business and employees I had to still worry about and make sure that the business was Moving, um, and kept together and, um, you know, but the cancer didn't stop me from continuing everything that I was doing, um, instead it just fueled, um, and, and lit a different fire within me.
more things, um, that truly spoke to my heart. And, um, you know, through my cancer journey, I became the patient. I was no longer the consultant. I was no longer the pharmacist. I wasn't the professional. I was a patient and I. Um, experience a lot of, um, painful gaps in accessing healthcare. Um, you know, just the process, the delays, um, and, and it was so exhausting.
Um, I, I had a really hard time navigating my own care. And, um, I sat back and I said, wow, I spent my entire career supporting this system. Um, I, I spent. my career, even launching some of the products that ultimately I had to take. And yet it became very hard for me to access to navigate. And, and I, I almost felt a little ashamed.
I, I wanted to go back backwards in time and say to every one of those patients that I had ever spoken to and counseled, um, that I'm sorry, I didn't understand your journey. At the time. And now I understand what you're going through because I was walking in their shoes and, um, just really understanding that.
Unfortunately, healthcare is built around widgets and profits and Excel spreadsheets and graphs. And I am just, you know, an item, line item on an Excel spreadsheet and how much profit I can generate for an organization. Um, that hit me pretty hard. And, um, I was mad. I was angry. And. I decided that I was going to do something about it and that my journey and the gaps that I felt were going to be amplified and I had a network of people that I worked with in this industry, everybody from insurance companies to pharma manufacturers, and I was going to talk about my journey very loud and clear and that we needed to have immediate So if you're watching Change.
So I did. The cancer didn't stop me. It, I kept going and I would come home from chemo and I would get on a conference call. I came out of surgery and two days later, I'm back on calls or back, you know, do like, I just, I kept going forward. I kept looking forward. There was no time to look backwards. Or ask the question, why me?
Why did I come? Why did I end up with stage three cancer? There was no time for that.
Anneliese Rhodes: Gosh, Tina. I mean, I'm like wiping the tears out of my eyes. I'm listening. I'm like, don't tear up, don't tear up. But I mean, your story is, is. It's so inspiring and it just, it hits home because you know, nobody is immune from the, the devil knocking on your door and saying, here I am, you know, I'm going to come in and you were able to not only fight back hard, but come full circle.
I mean, talk about coming full circle. You went from B from realizing that you wanted to be a patient advocate to becoming a patient. And now again, you are a patient advocate with the fire of a lion inside of you. And I just think it's so amazing. It's it's just, it's awesome. It really is. And you know, so you started a couple of things and I want you to talk about those things.
First of all, your podcast, I think that's a really neat idea. I think it's very cool. I hope you guys continue doing it because I listened to a couple episodes and I think it really does highlight the true patient. Perspective on things. And then we'll talk about the ultimate thing that I think we all want to talk about today.
So tell us a little bit about your podcast and how you got there.
The Power of Patient Voices: How Tina is Revolutionizing Healthcare
Tina Valbh: Yeah. So, um, you know, through my cancer journey, I realized that there's a lot of people fighting the same battles like me and that, um, they're often feeling unheard overwhelmed and that's what led me and, um, Uh, industry friend of mine, Jessica Krauser to, uh, create the patient RX podcast.
And, you know, what we realized is that we talk a lot about patients, but we don't always listen to patients or get their opinions and bring the patient voice into conversations as we build programs or solutions or policies. Right in health care. And so that was really our inspiration and our launching off point is we want the patient brought to the table.
Every patient has a right to have a seat at the table. And so, um, you know, we started having candid conversations with decision makers and other folks in the industry. We, um, Are very unfiltered around our experiences and we talk about him and we talk about what are some of the solutions? What are things that we can do?
And we're challenging the outdated systems within the. healthcare industry. And we're, um, you know, it's a space where everyone can come together, executives to providers to patients, and everyone can have a seat at the table. So, um, the podcast is just another way to amplify the patient voice and the patient experience.
Cynthia Ficara: I love it. I think that's tremendous. I mean, you know, just like you said, having a platform to now bring together everything, you know, it's, it's, it's so typical of you. Yeah, it really is. You don't have it in your career. What more can I do? Oh, I'm sorry, podcast? What more can I
Anneliese Rhodes: do? Why not? And starting a podcast isn't easy.
Cindy and I know about this. Oh
Cynthia Ficara: yeah, we might be a little more than you think.
Tina Valbh: I know,
Cynthia Ficara: but we are enjoying
Tina Valbh: it. That is for sure. Yeah. Really
Cynthia Ficara: awesome. Connected us to you. So I love, I love that you get to be here with us to talk to our audience. And um, you know, one of the things that I think is absolutely tremendous in your trajectory of constantly changing, growing and seeing something wrong and not stopping is when you came to build. Tina's warriors. And I am so excited for you to talk to us today about Tina's warriors, how it started, what it's doing, where you are, because it's, it's just phenomenal.
The Birth of Tina’s Warriors
Tina Valbh: Yeah. So, um, Tina's warriors is, uh, now officially a nonprofit. Um, yeah, we're so excited. Um, And it was really born from my personal battle with cancer.
Um, you know, as I mentioned before, I experienced significant gaps in the, in the industry, in the healthcare system, accessing care or the delay. And, um, I. With some of my colleagues in the industry had, you know, voiced some of those gaps and, and, um, we decided to do something about it. And, and so, uh, what started out as, so I'll go backwards a little bit, uh, right before I started chemotherapy, uh, probably it was like the timing, the universe just knew, I think the universe was saying.
This is now going to be your path and I'm going to show you how to go. And so a day before I started chemotherapy, uh, one of my girlfriends had signed me up with the national breast cancer foundation for a hope kit and a hope kit is this beautiful package that comes in the mail. And, um, Anybody can sign anyone up who's going through treatment and it has all these items in this box, like really nice items like a water bottles, fuzzy socks to wear through treatment, eyelashes.
I mean, when you lose your eyelashes, like, right? Like I, yeah. And, and nausea pops, things for nausea, chamomile tea, like all these things, a crossword puzzle. So while you're sitting there through treatment, you could do like these beautiful items. And I didn't realize I needed all those things, but the breast cancer foundation knew I did as a, as a woman going through treatment.
It arrived and I immediately knew that that was something one day I wanted to give back to another woman. Um, in the box was a card, a handwritten card by the woman who packed that box. And it was this beautiful message of resilience, of bravery, of courage, and, um, just the light. And it gave me hope. It, it, it Told me that there was somebody from afar that was, um, giving me hope and lighting my way.
Anneliese Rhodes: Wow.
Tina Valbh: And so, um, Tina's warriors was born in the effort to give back to other women, that same hope I felt that day. And, um, just wanting to give these hope kits to women. So. We started, um, we did our first ever, um, sorry, it's just, it's, oh,
Anneliese Rhodes: my gosh, no, I'm not helping.
Tina Valbh: I'm like, I know
Anneliese Rhodes: more and more.
Tina Valbh: We had our first event, um, last year in May.
at a large pharmaceutical conference. And we thought, gosh, maybe 50 people will show up, you know, um, we would raise some money. We had over 350 people show up to the event.
Cynthia Ficara: 350. Wow. That's
Tina Valbh: amazing, Tina. Yes. And then, um, Um, we, we, the money started coming in, people started donating, companies started donating.
And last year we raised, we sent, we were able to send over 1000 hope kits to women all over the country. We held four massive events at the last event. We had 400 people show up. Oh my gosh. And then we, um, were able to raise in less than seven months over 86, 000. Oh my gosh. And so, Oh my gosh.
Cynthia Ficara: 86, 000.
Tina Valbh: Yes.
Cynthia Ficara: Oh, because you saw something wrong and did something about it. And I told my
Tina Valbh: story, I told my story and people listened and they heard the, the pain, they heard the gaps, they, they listened and they came and they supported me and they lifted me. And so Tina's warriors was born and we said, well, we're going to keep doing this for as long as we can.
And, um, you know, we're here to push pharmaceutical companies, insurance providers, healthcare systems to meet us where we're at. Um, And to create more patient centric solutions and to really create some policy changes. These hope events are a way to get the decision makers in the room to hear, um, the things that we want.
Them to change and, you know, our goal is to not just send out hope kits, but to provide free mammograms to women in, um, underserved communities. Um, we are also hoping that eventually and Tina's warriors, you know, 2. 0. Uh, that we could help women pay for some of these expensive cancer medications. I mean, I'm on a medication right now that costs 17, 800 a month.
Cynthia Ficara: Oh my gosh.
Tina Valbh: Now my insurance covers it. Oh my gosh. But the co pays, the co insurance, it's, it's, people don't realize these cancer products are very expensive. The medication that's supposed to keep me alive. Is this expensive? There's people out there that don't have good health coverage. They have to pay a percentage of that 17, 000.
And, and I know this because I live and breathe in this industry where we launch these products. And so, um, for Tina's warriors 2. 0, I want to help pay for these medications that are keeping these women alive. And. To give them equal access to these innovative medications that everybody, every American should be able to afford.
Oh my gosh, Tina.
Cynthia Ficara: Can
Anneliese Rhodes: we just broadcast throughout this entire world so that everybody can hear this right now? Because every policymaker and decision maker in the world should hear this because nobody is immune from suffering from this disease or a disease just like it. And Tina, for you to have taken, I mean, I'm sitting here thinking you guys that like how not only inspiring you are, but it just.
It was, it was a terrible, unfortunate thing that happened. A tragedy for you that you still live today that you are fighting every day. And you literally took that, you kicked it in the butt and you were like, you know what, screw you, I'm not only going to teach you and show you, I'm going to make a complete difference.
As in as many people's lives as I possibly can as quickly as I can. And Tina, you have done that. I am watching you grow tremendously with this one foundation and the companies that you're working with and the government, the policies that you're going to change. It's unbelievable. And you're one person.
And I hope everybody out there listening understands that it, it just takes a mind shift, a mindset, and you have it. You have it and you just, God, I just want to, I want to be right behind you cheering you on the whole way, Tina, because this is amazing. And so many women you're already affecting. And didn't you say that these hope baskets are like, they're hard to get, aren't they? Isn't there like a long waiting list to get them? Yes,
Tina Valbh: there is. So on the National Breast Cancer Foundation's list, so anybody like we could sign somebody up, um, and they go on a wait list. There's thousands of women waiting for a hope kit.
Cynthia Ficara: Oh my God, that's crazy. And you think of all that you've made and all that was sent and there's still thousands more wins. Yes.
Fighting for Access: Empowering Women Through Advocacy and Action
Tina Valbh: Yes. So my goal is to get as many women off that list as quickly as we can. And so we are, um, You know, for our next big event for 2025, dreaming bigger, uh, we want to touch 2000, 3000, maybe more women. We want to also bring in free mammograms, um, to communities where they don't have access to that. And I'm working, uh, with the National Breast Cancer Foundation right now.
To do that, um, in October, um, we're working to really. Elevate, um, our desire for policy change and access. Um, so it's, you know, all of us, I feel like my voice. Has elevated high and there's people gathering around to lift me up to continue, um, telling my truth and, um, not backing away from being, um, just very authentic about my experience.
Cynthia Ficara: Oh, Tina, you
Tina Valbh: are
Cynthia Ficara: a true warrior. I mean, I think that if any, I mean, you've given us all hope. Today, I mean, even just to realize to, to never give up and that if you want something to change, you need to make it happen. And you're already thinking of Tina's Warriors 2. 0. It is, it's, um, it's, it's crazy. I think it's tremendous what you're doing.
I think it is, um, it's, it's, it's hard to absorb to think how many women are suffering. And all that they go through, um, but for you to be able to tell your story and for us just to take a minute in a day and to think about we have our own struggles and somebody has it harder and what can we do to help makes it better.
And then I think that will help build and provide that support that you're already feeling that we hope it grows even more after this, after this airs. And that, you know, everybody can hear this and send more support your way because I bet there's people listening that right now are like, Oh my gosh, how can I help?
How can I? So they're like, how can I
Anneliese Rhodes: help? How can I help? So Tina, where can people go to find Tina's Warriors to donate, to become part of this amazing movement?
Tina Valbh: It's www. tinaswarriors. org, so that's t i n a s warriors. org.
Anneliese Rhodes: And we will be tagging it in our post, in our podcast. For those that cannot write it down that are driving right now, we will have it as a hyperlink.
I mean, we, I don't, I don't know how else I can be inspired. Like I literally, it's like, come on world, bring it on. You know, I mean, I could just have an ounce of your courage and your, your power. It's just, it's inspiring. I know your daughters absolutely not only adore you, but look up to you and what a phenomenal role model you are for them and every woman out there that is listening to this.
Cynthia Ficara: Tremendous. Absolutely tremendous.
Tina Valbh: I think in the end, I want my daughters to know that their mom fought really hard and to turn something that's life altering into something positive to pay it forward. I want them to see that,they could navigate anything.
Anneliese Rhodes: I love it. I think with those words, Cindy, I think this, this, this has been a tremendous episode.
Tina, thank you for honoring us with your presence. Honestly, I, you know, you're a very busy woman and you are just, you are awe inspiring. So thank you so much. I need to go dab my eyes now and blow my nose, but so much for your amazing time. It's your amazing and personal and vulnerable story. Thanks for sharing that with all of us.
I can't tell you how much we appreciate it. Thank
Tina Valbh: you for having me on. And I, appreciate both of you for, like I said, thinking of me and allowing me to share my story. Oh, yes. And if there is any
Cynthia Ficara: last words you need to say anything you want to, say, please share,
Tina Valbh: I think the last thing I would say is that, women we must lift each other up. And, we rise by sharing our knowledge and opening doors for each other.
Anneliese Rhodes: And with that, I think that was perfectly said, Tina. Thank you so much. Tina. so much.
